Monday, September 15, 2003

Never argue with someone who is right


What do I mean by this title?  Simple.  A blog that I frequent has a dicussion thread called Analyzing The Guardian and some liberal apologist for Iran came in and made several ridiculous assertions, such as Iran is a democracy, it has a democratically elected president and government, etc... When confronted with the actual truth this person just wouldn't accept it and began to write even more pendantic nonsense.  Finally a poster over there (not me, although I gave a good accounting of myself as well) got fed up and hoisted this kool-aid drinking liberal by their own petard.  It was beautiful and here it is in it's entirety:


 Christopher Kallini
As for the student council gibe, I've asked you once already for evidence that reflects the the true division of power - let me know when you find some.

Gee, maybe on that web site you yourself
gave us the link to?


Iran's complex political system combines elements of a modern Islamic theocracy with democracy. The whole system operates under a Supreme Leader who is, in theory, appointed by an elected body but is in practice answerable to no-one.



Check out the power flowchart on that page too - the president and parliament control NOTHING.


President Mohammad Khatami has been trying to wrench politics and society out of the grip of Iran's highly conservative clerics. In his first term of office, he has failed to deliver. Those who voted for Mr Khatami, the 70% of the electorate who want radical reform of government, administration and the economy, are very frustrated.

Mr Khatami also promised, but has been unable to achieve, restrictions on the power of clerical institutions and hardline judiciary. He has faced strong resistance from the conservative clergy associated with the country's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - the man at the top of Iran's political and religious power structure.



Yeah, he wields a lot of governing power.


Supreme Leader

The role of Supreme Leader was established by Ayatollah Khomeini, and placed him at the top of Iran’s political power structure. The Supreme Leader - currently Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - appoints the head of the judiciary, the clergy members on the powerful Council of Guardians, the commanders of all the armed forces, Friday prayer leaders and the head of radio and TV. He also confirms the president's election. The leader is chosen by the clerics who make up the Assembly of Experts.



Wow, so he controls the judicial system, the armed forces, religion, the media, and the president.

And what is the Assembly of Experts?


Assembly of Experts

This conservative body, made up of 96 clerics, is comparable to the College of Cardinals which chooses the Pope. The assembly is elected directly by the electorate every eight years. Its functions are to appoint, oversee and if necessary dismiss the Supreme Leader. It meets twice a year to review the performance of the Supreme Leader. The assembly has been criticised for being subservient to the Supreme Leader and not fulfilling its supervisory purpose. The current assembly was elected in 1998 for an eight-year term.



While technically elected, the Assembly is subservient to the leader, and can only be comprised of Islamic Clerics, so you can only vote for candidates to the Assembly who wish to maintain the religious theocracy.

How about the highest governing body of Iran?


Council of Guardians

This is the most influential body in Iran and is currently controlled by conservatives. It consists of six theologians appointed by the leader and six jurists nominated by the judiciary and approved by parliament. The council has to approve all bills passed by parliament and make sure they conform to the constitution and Islamic law. The council also has the power to veto candidates in elections to parliament, local councils, the presidency and the Assembly of Experts. President Khatami is attempting to remove this power.



Wow, so it has the power to control all elections and laws, and the members of the body are appointed by the Ayatollah.

Christ, Matt, are you retarded? Your own source proves you wrong and us right, and yet you continue to argue.


Never argue with someone who is right, indeed.


link via Right Thinking.Com

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